[oe] pfalcon: revert r5dc6982e... vfat nls modules are not for task-base-kernel26
pmiscml at gmail.com
Tue Dec 18 03:42:54 CET 2007
Tuesday, December 18, 2007, 4:08:51 AM, you wrote:
> Paul Sokolovsky wrote:
>> Tuesday, December 18, 2007, 3:08:23 AM, you wrote:
>>> 10k that is not required, and is forcibly imposed, is a bloat.
>>> task-base has a fine granularity for a reason (in fact, that is the very
>>> reason it was created). You are violating that fine granularity, and
>>> imposing your choice on others without allowing them to 'opt-in' via a
>> Nonsense. The change I made has nothing to do with forcing or
>> disallowing. It is a quick fix, similar to other fixes applied to
>> task-base/its overall state, to fix current issue at hand, and yet
>> be a small incremental step in the right direction (moving
>> machine-independent modules out of machine configs into task-base).
>> And it was done is such a way to not cause any noticeable regressions.
>> For example, there's no size-optimized image which stopped fitting
>> into size constraint set for it.
> This is a discussion about the principles of task-base, not about a
> quick fix.
Then it's wrong time and approach. I pretty well understand
task-base principles, and am all for it. Vice versa, I'm concerned
that it's heavily underused and ignored still, with machine configs
stuffed with the modules which has little to do with the machine per
se, and rather are/should be handled by task-base.
> If your position is indeed that this is a quick fix, and
> that you intend to move it into a task-base-vfat at your (or someone
> else's) earliest convenience, then I have no problem with that. It
> seemed, however, that you have been strongly arguing about the
> principles of task-base, and that is the point to which I take issue.
> If you had said "mea culpa, I agree with the principle, I'll fix it next
> week", then we could have avoided this exchange completely.
>> Just face it - my change was on par with current state of task-base.
> I don't agree with that. I observe that task-base has been carefully
> crafted, and I believe the OE developers have been vigilent in making
> sure that the basic tasks (like task-boot and task-base-kernel26) are
> not bloated.
Design and actual implementation/maintenance are different things.
Getting it right is incremental asymptotic process, and not even
monotonic oftentimes. It would rather make sense to bulk-migrate as much as
possible content from older, highly non-scalable way to handle
features (machine configs) to task-base, and only then to clean it up
and optimize, than do complex, error-prone changes for each small feature.
>> Oh, so you caught me on one supposedly questionable change, and I
>> point out numerous other highly related issues of the same nature, and
>> invite you address them as we already started on that. Instead, you
>> tell that you don't care and think it's normal if some machines will
>> lose the feature they must have. That doesn't sound too productive.
> Actually, I do care very much. I care that those things are done in the
> proper manner. The machines didn't have the feature by omission. You
> added it in the wrong place. Correcting that by adding it in the right
> place will enable those machines to retain that feature, not loose it.
> Getting it in the right place is more important than a day's delay on an
> Angstrom RC release.
Yeah, except that we had such one-day delays for around half-year
per my calendar, so I personally treat release as a priority.
Especially if we have today testers which may simply disappear
tomorrow mumbling something about completely broken stuff ;-).
>> I'm trying to do my share of release management here, and thus care
>> about all machines, and facing a dilemma of need to fix dozen machine
>> quickly while risking to nudge few a tiny bit sideways, I select to do
>> that, in grounded manner. So, I'd like to ask you to be patient with
>> such changes, until the real fix is introduced, if it happens that you
>> cannot be helpful with that (== the real fix, not some small untested
> If you agree that those nls modules should not be added to
> task-base-kernel26, since that violates the principle of fine
> granularity of task-base, and that they will be moved to a feature at
> someone's (perhaps your's, perhaps mine, perhaps hrw's) earliest
> convenience, then we have no quarrel. I have no issue if the earliest
> convenience takes weeks - it's the principle of how task-base evolves in
> the future which is my primary concern here.
I hope the future is bright. And the change you requested is
> -- Rod
Paul mailto:pmiscml at gmail.com
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